Curse

Tarja · Aug 18, 2007, 06:47 AM // 06:47

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

and yet i was like the only person who posted one. the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play. i posted it in an effort to encourage other people to post theirs but i think maybe 1-2 people if any actually did. it seems most people dont even consider other options to what is already out there. and yes i can solo an cow with a necro and a sword. its random yes but my point is if thats doable anything should fly in fow. what do you care if other people try out NEW or ORIGINAL builds.

Would you just stop, and think for a moment? You posted your build, which is an automatic invitation for the community to assess and critique, and then you become defensive and insult the members of the community, thus resulting in this horrendous thread of flaming fun.

By claiming that your build is "too good for us" you're NOT being open-minded, as being an open-minded person would accept the community's reviews, and incorporate them into making the build better. You can still be unconventional, it's how new builds are created, but neglecting the advice from the Guild Wars community, you not only damage the viability that with changes, your build could be useful, but you've solidified your reputation as being a close-minded, and ignorant individual.

You would never have an Assassin in your group? They aren't FOW Viable?

What happened to being unconventional?

According to the logic presented by you:

Unconventional/New = Good for FoW/UW

Assassin = unconventional/New

Therefore:

Assassin = Good for FoW/UW

Granted, a good build is needed, but that applies to EVERY PROFESSION

ALL of the profession within Guild Wars can be a great member in a group for elite areas of the game. Why single out Assassins, when it's clearly been proven by Renegade26 that they are viable?

You Sir, are contradicting yourself, stumble over everything you say, and clearly think that the "noob-elitest" way of thinking helps promote your case. FoW armor doesn't make you seem more of a reputable player, nor does a Gladiator title, or any title for that matter. There are thousands of players out there who are just as good as the person with the dozens of sets of FoW armors, and maxed out titles. Titles and armors don't affect your skill, your ability to accept criticism, advice, and the knowledge that not everything you think of is "the best" is what affects your skill.

By the way, I like how you added "potentially", when you had previous said it was already the best. Second thoughts maybe?

zwei2stein · Aug 18, 2007, 07:43 AM // 07:43

I am STILL waiting for screnshots of taking AAtaxe dowm solo with that build.

Renegade26 · Aug 18, 2007, 10:01 AM // 10:01

Im assuming populationcontrol's IGN is Subway Culture like in his status.

Still waiting to wipe his Necro with my Sin. Later I will post the build and describe how I would own him, if he doesnt come online at some point.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 08:05 PM // 20:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarja

You would never have an Assassin in your group? They aren't FOW Viable?

What happened to being unconventional?

According to the logic presented by you:

Unconventional/New = Good for FoW/UW

Assassin = unconventional/New

Therefore:

Assassin = Good for FoW/UW

Granted, a good build is needed, but that applies to EVERY PROFESSION

if you scroll up and read what i actually said youll see that i stated many times that when i lead a fow group ill take an assasin, unlike pretty much every group where i am not leading.

i posted a necro unconventional build because its the class i most play and most others i have ive seen similar variations out there. the point was to have people post there builds they use that stray from what is used (i must have said this at least 5 times) but no one posts it... or has one? and yeah i can solo an cow using riposte and blood skills in uw, that the people who attempted it couldnt only proves they are unable to do it.

riposte is the best skills in the game

Isileth · Aug 18, 2007, 08:09 PM // 20:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by populationcontrol

the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play

riposte is the best skills in the game

Ok im sorry but this is obviousely a troll. Reported the thread, may it go to the realm of locked threads never to show its ugly head again.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 08:25 PM // 20:25

actually just because most people are beeing offensive and remaining offtopic doesnt make me the "troll". i offered to defend my build in game against prejudiced people who havent really even tried the build or faced it in their lives (seeing as staying on topic was impossible). "trolling" according to google is posting offensive stuff to agravate others, i fail to see how using and ecouraging the use of original builds while defending my own from people who havent even tried it is "trolling". i find trying to discuss and unearth other peoples "original" builds interesting. i even find your post an attempt to once again kill the purpose of this conversation and frankly isleth, of "trolling".

Isileth · Aug 18, 2007, 08:38 PM // 20:38

The thread can only work if people are willing to take criticism in regards to what they post. You posted a build, people criticised your build yet you refuse to take any of that into account, you make comments such as "the build i posted is potentially one of the best necro pvp builds you can play".

You refuse to take into account anyones opinion that does not agree with yours, the build isnt that good. Does it work? Yes. Does it work as well as other builds? No.

Stating that your build is the best when quite clearly due to responses it isnt is fairly stupid. Now had you accepted peoples comments, perhaps changed your build (You dont have to, if you enjoy that build no one will have a problem with you playing it) based on what people suggested. Instead you started calling people noobs, saying they obviousely are less skilled than you etc (As a point that is trolling).

This thread could have been good, there are a lot of people who run builds that while different or less effective are fun and they enjoy playing, I know because I am one of them. However should someone ask for a build or ask you not to take a build (When they are team leader at the very least) you should not lie to get to use your build. They obviousely want something specific. You enjoy running that build I assume, well these people enjoy running specific teams much like you enjoy running a build. Swapping builds is not only quite childish but it doesnt help anyone, chances are they will kick you (and with good reason, you did lie) and never invite you again.

Sadly this thread has gone far away from saviour, different fun builds are always good, however if you post it on a forum you are posting it for others to comment on. If you cant take the comments then dont post it, you can enjoy it just the same without posting it on forums.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 08:48 PM // 20:48

my build was never the point of the discussion just posted it to encourage others to post theres (guessing 6th time i might have posted this). and actually if you read posts you can clearly tell that if anyone was offensive it was people who steered conversation offtopic (something like yourself), and if anything judging from some of the peoples posts i have reamained very polite. you also said different builds are "fun" then said mine would work but less than the normal ss br (i assume). clearly youve never even tried my build and had already made up your mind about it. you also failed to post an unconvetional build, your purpose of posting i think (although its already dead) is to kill this post with some sort of conclusion against me. i reserve the right to post what works for me in this forum, and though it may not work for you (which i know you wont even try it) it might work for someone else, someone who might try it and apreciate it. something i would have likedto have the chance to do but clearly talking about my build is too important to post yours.

Isileth · Aug 18, 2007, 09:00 PM // 21:00

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Originally Posted by populationcontrol

clearly youve never even tried my build and had already made up your mind about it.

(which i know you wont even try it)

May I ask how you can be so sure I havent tried it? I have tried it (I felt that was kind of important before I started making comments on it

).

Does it work as well as you claim? No it does not
Does it work? Yes, but as stated before less effectively than others.

However, because of the purpose of this thread its not about if this build is the best build ever, if you enjoy playing it then it achieves its purpose. That being said any build can achieve that purpose so I cant really see the point of a thread that allows any build to be posted in and then appluaded for achieving its purpose of being fun to play.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 09:12 PM // 21:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

May I ask how you can be so sure I havent tried it? I have tried it (I felt that was kind of important before I started making comments on it

).

i know because in a guide i posted about this build, you and like 5 other guild wars guru members went on a campaign to deride it having admiting in it that it was not necesary to try it at least several times. you and another guru person (much more offensive perosn who i reported and who then desisted unlike yourself) to follow every single thread and deride everything i say. id like to add that the abuse (beeing much more hardcore than here) got so insane i offered to duel anyone whom thought my build was lame. people backed off and the only person who stepped up to the challenge died in under 15 secs. i can post screen of his dead body if someone tells me how to post a screen in chat (it wasnt isleths, he did not rise to the challenge). so yeah thats how i know and the fact that i defeated a guy who literally designed a build to kill me (having a 3 page guide) not only proves this build is strong but most people so keen on deriding cant even design a build to defeat an existing one (which is actually easy, i really should have died), and maybe thats why i do not awknowledge your opinion on the subject.

Renegade26 · Aug 18, 2007, 09:18 PM // 21:18

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Originally Posted by Renegade26

Still waiting to wipe his Necro with my Sin.

Still waiting.

Isileth · Aug 18, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

I have to say your claiming your build is good based on the fact you beat someone in 1v1? This is a team game. In a team your build is lacking compared to other options.

And might I add perhaps you should have taken the hint when in that other thread most people came out and said the build was poor.

As for any abuse that didnt happen until you started refusing advice on the build and insulting others. Now that thread is a little old now so I cant recall the exact comments but it was very much along the lines of this thread, you calling people noobs and stating that they obviousely didnt know how to play if they couldnt get it to work.

The fact that AFTER having a thread about the same build turned into a troll and flamefest you went and created another is what brought me to my opinion that you are posting this thread delibertaly to start an argument hence my accusation of trolling.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 09:21 PM // 21:21

can you get on right now? i get the feeling there going to close this before i can kill you.

Mesmer in Need · Aug 18, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

After rofl at this thread several times, i am here to sum it up:
"I am tired of narrowmindedness of people only thinking 1 build works and that the build everyone should use. Anyways, this is my build and it works everywhere it can solo aatxes and it owns."
"That build is terrible. Try changing this to this and that to that"
"No that will never work. This build only works 1 way and it cannot be changed. Its that leet"
See my idea? You were mad because people only wanted to use the same build or team, however you were just as narowminded about your own build, no even making the slightest change.

Renegade26 · Aug 18, 2007, 09:25 PM // 21:25

Ive been on for a very long time. I get the feeling that your avoiding me, or your character name isnt subway culture. Btw you wont kill me with that shit you posted on the first page if I ran 0 skills.

populationcontrol · Aug 18, 2007, 09:26 PM // 21:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Isileth

I have to say your claiming your build is good based on the fact you beat someone in 1v1? This is a team game. In a team your build is lacking compared to other options.

As for any abuse that didnt happen until you started refusing advice

as far as im concerned insults isnt advice, idd also like to add in pvp you do in fact wind up least 2-3 per glad point in a 1 on 1 battle where obviously a great 1 vs 1 build is an advantage. not to mention for all your self righteousness you didnt dare dueling my build. every build has a counter build, i can even think of ways of killing my build. but i like it because no one goes into battle with skills design to kill something like this.

ill be right on

Renegade26 · Aug 18, 2007, 09:28 PM // 21:28

Im actually free now*.

Tab · Aug 18, 2007, 09:29 PM // 21:29

For God's sake, shut up and accept that your build is crap.

Isileth · Aug 18, 2007, 09:35 PM // 21:35

Again with the "Ill duel you to show you how good my build is!"

Now please read the next line carefully, possibly multiple times until you are clear about its meaning.

Guild Wars is a team game

So you take a 1v1 build into RA/TA, you are no help to your team although due to their skill they take down 3 players before they go. You then win 1v1.

So you take a 1v1 build into RA/TA, you are no help to your team and due to the other teams skill fail to kill anyone. You then loose 4v1.

So you take a good team build in RA/TA, you are a help to your team, you kill the other team without messing around in 1v1.

So while you might win with a 1v1 build, its not due to you or your build. However if you took a decent build you might actually help your team.

Also do you know why "no one goes into battle with skills design to kill something this." because that would be foolish. Instead of trying to counter your build they quickly dispatch of the rest of your team then face you 4v1, where it doesnt matter if they havent brought a counter to your build. they will beat you all the same.

And as an extra note, saying a build is good in RA and then going on to say its one of the best pvp builds available for a necro not the most well thought through of ideas. RA isnt what most will consider pvp at the highest level.

And another note in response to "as far as im concerned insults isnt advice".
No insults were made until you not only refused to listen or even aknowledge advice but turned round and insulted people for offering it to you.

Stormlord Alex · Aug 18, 2007, 09:41 PM // 21:41

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Originally Posted by ibreaktoilets

For God's sake, shut up and accept that your build is crap.

Woooo! You're back! *biiiiiig hug!*
To everyone else on here - really, stop trying. Population appears to be textually deaf.